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so look, he can decide, i agree with senator schumer, we're not going to go over the fiscal cliff to use that terminology. something's going to happen before year end. hopefully it's a comprehensive package that solves our nation's problems then later, next year, we deal with tax reforms in a revenue neutral way. what i -- i'll stop. >> chris: hemorrhaginge >> this goes beyond the deal. why should congress give up it's constitutional authority over borrowing? we looked at your record when george w. bush was president. you voted at least three times against increasing the debt limit. why would congress give up that power? >> the bottom line is on debt ceiling, things shifted. i don't agree with bob corker on that issue. it shifted the way it has on taxes. senator mcconnell put on the floor a resolution that said it was his idea, not ours, that let the president raise the debt ceiling. it's money congress has already spent and let congress by two-thirds override it. he thought we democrats would run from that scared as could be. within a half hour we had 51 votes, we called his bluff a
so look, he can decide, i agree with senator schumer, we're not going to go over the fiscal cliff to use that terminology. something's going to happen before year end. hopefully it's a comprehensive package that solves our nation's problems then later, next year, we deal with tax reforms in a revenue neutral way. what i -- i'll stop. >> chris: hemorrhaginge >> this goes beyond the deal. why should congress give up it's constitutional authority over borrowing? we looked at your...
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cliff and he's put entitle and spending cuts on the table and i think really, the issue here is whether republicans are going to be on the tax rates for the upper income folks. if that happens i think we'll have an agreement. if it it doesn't we could go over the fiscal cliff and right now the economy is in a fragile position. >> no one can argue with that one. a lot of criticism on both sides and a lot pointing to republicans that they want to see the fiscal cliff happen. is there any upside if we actually go over the cliff? >> there's no upside if we go over the cliff and what you've seen the last couple of weeks is political theater. that's how we negotiate things here in washington d.c. and the good news, the president put forth a plan and republicans have put forth a plan and i believe that obama will have to come to the table with more spending cuts and entitlement reform and republicans might have to give in to some tax increases and the cbo do a recent report, saying if republicans get what they want in extending the entire bush tax cut plan. it would only increase the gd growth
cliff and he's put entitle and spending cuts on the table and i think really, the issue here is whether republicans are going to be on the tax rates for the upper income folks. if that happens i think we'll have an agreement. if it it doesn't we could go over the fiscal cliff and right now the economy is in a fragile position. >> no one can argue with that one. a lot of criticism on both sides and a lot pointing to republicans that they want to see the fiscal cliff happen. is there any...
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taxes and not spending cuts in averting the fiscal cliff. >> the facts are that at this point the 39.6% does produce the revenue. the differentiation between the 39 pin 6% and the 28% that the president has for limitation or deductions creates a great deal of money as well. >> one conservative commentator suggested the out come of the fiscal talks won't be the end of the world. >> we will have taxes which are roughly the same as they were underon. we did fine in that. we will do fine. >> the question is whether these negotiations will lead to making other tough choices such as washington getting a handle on the growth of government. if not the european example seems to suggest huge fiscal trouble coming to our shores as well. mike emmanuel, fox news. >>> here is a doozie of a story. a baby mix up at a minneapolis hospital results in a new mother breastfeeding another woman's baby. i told you it was a doozie. the woman given the wrong infant realized that something was not right. >> when they brought cody she thought to herself it didn't look like her other baby. but her husband reassure
taxes and not spending cuts in averting the fiscal cliff. >> the facts are that at this point the 39.6% does produce the revenue. the differentiation between the 39 pin 6% and the 28% that the president has for limitation or deductions creates a great deal of money as well. >> one conservative commentator suggested the out come of the fiscal talks won't be the end of the world. >> we will have taxes which are roughly the same as they were underon. we did fine in that. we will...
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cliff. republicans and democrats keep arguing into the new year. others are worried failure to strike a deal could send the nation back into a recession. >> i think people understand the failure to compromise and going over the cliff could really jeopardize this recovery. the good news today about more people back at work, the unemployment rate coming down, listen, that can be reversed if people lose confidence in our future. >> the number two senate ranked democrat mr. temperature bib argues next week will be critical in terms of president obama and speaker boehner finding a compromise. shep? >> shepard: democrats are still saying what they have said all along and what the president ran on this is about taxes. >> that is true and they note president obama campaigned on upper income americans paying more so they intend to make sure that happens. the house democratic leader says the only obstacle is republicans refusing to ask the top 2% to pay more. >> this is a moment of truth. the clock is
cliff. republicans and democrats keep arguing into the new year. others are worried failure to strike a deal could send the nation back into a recession. >> i think people understand the failure to compromise and going over the cliff could really jeopardize this recovery. the good news today about more people back at work, the unemployment rate coming down, listen, that can be reversed if people lose confidence in our future. >> the number two senate ranked democrat mr. temperature...
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of course nothing will happen on january 1, the moment the fiscal cliff arrives. it's going to be a slow drip, drip, drip effect as people realize a slowing in spending, the taxes go up, consumers are worried. it won't happen overnight. there's going to be no dramatic over the cliff we go. instead, you will see an evaporation of confidence. you will see an evaporation of business decision-making. that is where the tumor and the cancer will begin. in the united kingdom we have just had higher borrowing numbers and lower growth forecasts. just last week the ecb came out with dreadful, dreadful numbers on how the euro zone is performing. recession this year and possibly next. and you want to play games with something as important as the u.s. budget? i'm going to finish here. the core worry is three weeks out and an inability to do a deal. >> right. so the catastrophe may not come january 1, 2 or even the 30th, the catastrophe is long term because of the erosion of public confidence in the united states. richard, thank you my, my friend. >> it's happening now. >> abso
of course nothing will happen on january 1, the moment the fiscal cliff arrives. it's going to be a slow drip, drip, drip effect as people realize a slowing in spending, the taxes go up, consumers are worried. it won't happen overnight. there's going to be no dramatic over the cliff we go. instead, you will see an evaporation of confidence. you will see an evaporation of business decision-making. that is where the tumor and the cancer will begin. in the united kingdom we have just had higher...
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the edge of the fiscal cliff looming larger as the clock ticks toward the deadline on january 1st. negotiators are trying to hammer out a deal over tax hikes and spending cuts searching for common ground. amid all the back and forth there are signing of a compromise. steve centanni is live in washington. are the two sides any closer together? >> reporter: there are two important signs today. speaker, house speaker john boehner met with president obama at the. we don't know how long they met or exactly what they talked about, but the white house says lines of communication are open and face-to-face meeting is on important. at the same time republicans say they will accept the demands for higher taxes on the wealthy if it goes along with spending cuts entitlements like medicare and social security. listen.... >> a lot of people are putting forth a theory. i think it has merit where you give the president 2% increase he is talking about on the top 2 percent. i am beginning to believe that is the best route for us to take. >> reporter: many other republicans, of course, standing firm a
the edge of the fiscal cliff looming larger as the clock ticks toward the deadline on january 1st. negotiators are trying to hammer out a deal over tax hikes and spending cuts searching for common ground. amid all the back and forth there are signing of a compromise. steve centanni is live in washington. are the two sides any closer together? >> reporter: there are two important signs today. speaker, house speaker john boehner met with president obama at the. we don't know how long they...
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a series of tax cuts and spending cuts set to kick in just 26 shopping days until the fiscal cliff. >> brian: less working days. >> steve: that's right. house republicans say there will be no deal if tax ritz go up and the obama administration says it's ready to go thelma and louise style over the cliff on january 1. if that's the case, wendell goler live at the white house with what we know is going on behind the scenes. anything happening? >> steve, the president and house speaker john boehner talked on the phone yesterday, but they agreed not to characterize their conversation. so it's unclear how much progress they made. from the outside, it does seem they've moved a bit closer with boehner now agreeing to raise tax collection from the wealthy, though not by raising tax rates. >> we've got to cut spending and i believe to put revenues on the table. the revenues we're putting on the table will come from, guess who, the rich! there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes, and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates which
a series of tax cuts and spending cuts set to kick in just 26 shopping days until the fiscal cliff. >> brian: less working days. >> steve: that's right. house republicans say there will be no deal if tax ritz go up and the obama administration says it's ready to go thelma and louise style over the cliff on january 1. if that's the case, wendell goler live at the white house with what we know is going on behind the scenes. anything happening? >> steve, the president and house...
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so the fiscal cliff is looming. there are a the lo of people who say the republicans need to stand together and if the president isn't gog deal fairly and offer up some spending cuts and talk about entitlement reform, the republicans need to be willing to hole hands and jump off the fiscal cliff with the president. are you ready? >> we would prefer that didn't happen. there are a lot of bad outcomes. you got a lot of analysis that's been done, ernst says if we go over the fiscal cliff or raise taxes it will cost us over 700,000 jobs, reduce economic growth, lower take home pay, all those things. that's a bad scenario. the president has made it very clear, tim geithner, his treasury secretary said a couple days ago, absolutely we're ready to go over the cliff. republicans don't think that's the solution. but i do think that if he gets what he wants, he gets higher taxes, he gets defense cuts, if we go over the cliff. so i don't think there is a lot of incentive on the president's part right now to be at the table to
so the fiscal cliff is looming. there are a the lo of people who say the republicans need to stand together and if the president isn't gog deal fairly and offer up some spending cuts and talk about entitlement reform, the republicans need to be willing to hole hands and jump off the fiscal cliff with the president. are you ready? >> we would prefer that didn't happen. there are a lot of bad outcomes. you got a lot of analysis that's been done, ernst says if we go over the fiscal cliff or...
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. >>> just when you thought the fiscal cliff talks was at a standstill, boehner spent the day at the white house with obama, and we like to spend our afternoons with analysts. we have the senior writer for espn. good to see both of you. okay? >> yes. >> boehner had pretty tough words for the president on friday. let's listen. >> there is a lot of things possible to put the revenue on the table but none of it will be possible if the president insists on his position and insist on my way or the highway. >> anna, he also said the white house has wasted another week, and now two days later, they are meeting again. did boehner's remarks make the difference? >> good. i think it's great. we cannot reach a deal if you are posturing and negotiating through press conferences. they need to sit in a room and look at each other and talk constructive debate and move the ball forward. i think what happened today is a very good sign. americans should be encouraged, it's a good thing when the congressional leader and president is capable of meeting and talking about the difficult issues that face thi
. >>> just when you thought the fiscal cliff talks was at a standstill, boehner spent the day at the white house with obama, and we like to spend our afternoons with analysts. we have the senior writer for espn. good to see both of you. okay? >> yes. >> boehner had pretty tough words for the president on friday. let's listen. >> there is a lot of things possible to put the revenue on the table but none of it will be possible if the president insists on his position...
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lou: on this broadcast we never talk about the fiscal cliff without referring to the incipient cause, there rid of it all, and that is why i believe it is entirely appropriate told the president accountable for the fiscal cliff because this is the only bullish and work here. it is this president who has decided to issue an ultitum. first on taxes and being raised on only 2 percent of the people. secondly, insisting that the bt ceiling issue be compounded with it all. this is without question an ultimatum, the consequences are his. what do you think? >> well, i am afraid that even though the consequences are his, the consequences for the economy will be his. i think he is betting, i think there is pretty god evidence right now that he is betting that he can win this argument because the media and his megaphone enable him t persuade the american people that the republicans will be the cause of the troubles that we will face if we go over the clf. lou: history is littered with examples of those to proceed and rationally so but came up against creative, energetic opposition that found a w
lou: on this broadcast we never talk about the fiscal cliff without referring to the incipient cause, there rid of it all, and that is why i believe it is entirely appropriate told the president accountable for the fiscal cliff because this is the only bullish and work here. it is this president who has decided to issue an ultitum. first on taxes and being raised on only 2 percent of the people. secondly, insisting that the bt ceiling issue be compounded with it all. this is without question an...
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>> the fiscal cliff. because they have to. it is in writing, it's a law that if they don't get a deal together, we go over the cliff and 1.2 trillion dollars, 600 billion out of spending and 600 billion in taxes and force-- >> i remember when i was in school, this is just like a year ago, really, no, quite a while ago. i remember talking in school about us being in debt and it was like reaching a trillion dollars and the teacher asked us to wrap our hands around this idea of a trillion dollars. now, we're seeing 16 trillion dollars. i can't wrap my head around a trillion to try to-- >> and then jay carney saying that's not the focus getting us out of debt and i use my dad as a reference to the first hour of the show. like my dad handing me a credit card going off to college, you know what just put whatever you want on there, keep spending, that's not our focus. >> clayton: we're not going to pay for it. >> part of the deal president obama of brought to john boehner, let's reof move the debt ceiling and take the limit on the cr
>> the fiscal cliff. because they have to. it is in writing, it's a law that if they don't get a deal together, we go over the cliff and 1.2 trillion dollars, 600 billion out of spending and 600 billion in taxes and force-- >> i remember when i was in school, this is just like a year ago, really, no, quite a while ago. i remember talking in school about us being in debt and it was like reaching a trillion dollars and the teacher asked us to wrap our hands around this idea of a...
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, reform some entitlements to avoid this bad situation which we're calling the fiscal cliff, when you have automatic tax increases and spending cuts, but as we, you know, the time goes, it's been three weeks since the election, i'm growing increasingly pessimistic. >> we're been talking about it on the show, chris, and brought up a couple of times that the president, if he does nothing, the tax cuts expire, and the defense cuts go into place, which is largely what the democrats want to have happened and republicans now making the argument. perhaps the president is not going to negotiate because he wants to simply step back and want things to unfold. do you buy that. i think he does want to compromise because if this were to go on long enough. i don't think it happens the first week after the fiscal cliff, but if you continue with this and all of the things that happen, all of the bush tax cuts expire, not only on the rich, but also the middle class, the spending cuts, about 100 million in the first year, you could grow according to the congressional budget office or unemployment back
, reform some entitlements to avoid this bad situation which we're calling the fiscal cliff, when you have automatic tax increases and spending cuts, but as we, you know, the time goes, it's been three weeks since the election, i'm growing increasingly pessimistic. >> we're been talking about it on the show, chris, and brought up a couple of times that the president, if he does nothing, the tax cuts expire, and the defense cuts go into place, which is largely what the democrats want to...
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the fiscal cliff is a name that the media came up with, but some of us have been saying for years, you have got to stop the out of control federal spending or you will end up at this point, we're there. >> i just want to the remind folks of something you said about the middle class tax cuts, i just want to the play that. >> in my view, we all agree that we're not going to raise taxes on people that make less than $250,000, we should just take them out of the discussion right now. >> he has his idea, i don't want to raise taxes on anybody. >> it seems to me now this is the split inside the republican caucus -- >> i don't think so. i think there's more discussion about tactics than it is any different. none of us want to raise the rates on anybody, but the rates on everybody go up at the end of the month. since we degree with the democrats on 98% of the american people, to me, i would just get that off the table now so they don't worry about it. i the those people are the president's leverage. it's the democrats going around screaming your taxes will go up if republicans don't agree, let
the fiscal cliff is a name that the media came up with, but some of us have been saying for years, you have got to stop the out of control federal spending or you will end up at this point, we're there. >> i just want to the remind folks of something you said about the middle class tax cuts, i just want to the play that. >> in my view, we all agree that we're not going to raise taxes on people that make less than $250,000, we should just take them out of the discussion right now....
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. >> for the first time, plan for massive spending cuts from going over the fiscal cff warning business executives, the economy could take another hit if republicans cide to extend just to middle class tax cuts to avoid the cliff for now and come back next year with more leverage to tie spending cuts and medicare reform to another hike in the nati's debt ceing. >> we're not going to play that game next year. if congress, in any way suggests they tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes, and take us to the ink of default again as part of a budget negotiation, i will not play that game. >> republicans held their meeting with small business owners and denied they are trying to punt until next year. >> i'll be here. i'll be available at any moment to sit down with the president to get serious about solving the problem. >> they noted the president has not scheduled any meetings with g.o.p. leaders in weeks and not offered a counterproposal to boehner's plan from last week. >> frankly, it was the balanced apoach the president's be asking for. we need a response from the white house. >> reporter
. >> for the first time, plan for massive spending cuts from going over the fiscal cff warning business executives, the economy could take another hit if republicans cide to extend just to middle class tax cuts to avoid the cliff for now and come back next year with more leverage to tie spending cuts and medicare reform to another hike in the nati's debt ceing. >> we're not going to play that game next year. if congress, in any way suggests they tie negotiations to debt ceiling...
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cliff instead of engaging in serious talks to avert the cliff, that includes spending cuts and tax reforms the president once supported. the white house has only offered a joke. i understand we have speaker boehner to the microphones. let's take a listen. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. eight days ago secretary geithner came here to offer a plan that had twice the tax hikes that the president campaigned on. it had more stimulus spending than it had in cuts. and an indefinite, infinite increase on the debt limit, like forever. four days ago we offered a serious proposal, based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then, there's been no counteroffer from the white house. instead, reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow-walk our economy right to the edge of the cliff. instead of cutting spending, the president want to raise tax rates. but even if the president got the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we would continue
cliff instead of engaging in serious talks to avert the cliff, that includes spending cuts and tax reforms the president once supported. the white house has only offered a joke. i understand we have speaker boehner to the microphones. let's take a listen. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. eight days ago secretary geithner came here to offer a plan that had twice the tax hikes that the...
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this thing we call the fiscal cliff is a law that republicans voted for and that the president steered them to vote for. and strategically, he was victorious in that. the theory of this thing was, no one wants it to happen. no one wants anything in this bill to happen. the rates to go up or all the spending cuts. but it turns out that the democrats and the president like more of what would happen on january 1 than republicans. >> do you know who agrees with you? rick santorum. i spoke to him on press pass and this is what he said. and newt gingrich, you respond after you hear this. >> the greatest leverage he has is that he put together a deal with the republicans over a year ago that gives him pretty much what he wants. which is a dramatic -- which is taxes back to the pre-bush rates. so it gets all the tax increases. and he can blame the ones that are not popular on republicans for not negotiating. he gets something that he'll never get in a negotiation. >> the rest of that conversation online, by the way, with rick santorum. newt gingrich? is that why the president and geithner are
this thing we call the fiscal cliff is a law that republicans voted for and that the president steered them to vote for. and strategically, he was victorious in that. the theory of this thing was, no one wants it to happen. no one wants anything in this bill to happen. the rates to go up or all the spending cuts. but it turns out that the democrats and the president like more of what would happen on january 1 than republicans. >> do you know who agrees with you? rick santorum. i spoke to...
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will be will change completely because the fiscal cliff will be in effect and it is going to result in more than $500 billion in tax increases and spending cuts. so it could be hard to get the parties together in deciding how to change that in january. >> jean is following this very closely on cnnmoney.com. go there to get a good understanding of what this fiscal cliff is all about. thanks, jean. >>> word is that elizabeth warren, the brand-new senator-elect from massachusetts is angling to be appointed to the senate banking committee. i hope that happens. the consumer crusader is just what the committee needs. she was president obama's pick to run the newly created consumer finance protection bureau, which she designed, but republican senators on capitol hill refused to even consider confirming her. instead, they did their best to drive her out of town. >> so it has gone beyond your advice to treasury, you're also providing advice to other governmental agencies? >> congressman -- >> i understand, you can use the word congressman a number of times, miss warren, i'm simply asking a v
will be will change completely because the fiscal cliff will be in effect and it is going to result in more than $500 billion in tax increases and spending cuts. so it could be hard to get the parties together in deciding how to change that in january. >> jean is following this very closely on cnnmoney.com. go there to get a good understanding of what this fiscal cliff is all about. thanks, jean. >>> word is that elizabeth warren, the brand-new senator-elect from massachusetts is...
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joe, the big headline is the fact you lowered your guidance and blamed the fiscal cliff. how specifically will it affect -- >> sure, in our fiscal quarter, the current fiscal quarter ends january 31st, so we're you havely sensitive to the mix between what they spend in february and march versus what they spend? january and we're watching closely, but we have concern that the q1 spending may be unusually backweighted into february and march this year. >> but aren't you providing the kind of accountability and targeting that advertisers increasingly need? i mean, wouldn't advertisers, you know, when they're strapped for cash, be shifting out of businesses like newspapers into pandora? it seems like you should le thriving despite what's going on. >> and absolutely, if you ever look at the numbers, we had a terrific revenue we just reported. 60% year on year, and even at the reduced revenue guidance for the current quarter, we're looking at just under 50% year on year growth, so still tremendous progress, and particularly in the mobile world, where we looked to continue the t
joe, the big headline is the fact you lowered your guidance and blamed the fiscal cliff. how specifically will it affect -- >> sure, in our fiscal quarter, the current fiscal quarter ends january 31st, so we're you havely sensitive to the mix between what they spend in february and march versus what they spend? january and we're watching closely, but we have concern that the q1 spending may be unusually backweighted into february and march this year. >> but aren't you providing the...
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now and the fiscal cliff negotiation. the back and forth between both sides hasn't been complimentary. quite the opposite, in fact, which means the country needs to prepare for what comes next. that would be automatic spending cups and the expiration of bush era tax breaks. the pentagon has been preparing, and as our john callan reports, so have families who have a whole lot to lose if a deal doesn't get done. >> reporter: jeremy connor, married father of two. >> i've worked recently for a very large defense contractor, and my wife works for that same defense contractor. >> reporter: he left that job after 18 years for more stability since the couple both worked in the same department. >> the discussion of the fiscal cliff just made sense for one of us to get out. >> you know, we didn't know what it looked like down the road, if we were even going to have jobs at all. >> reporter: pentagon's budget for the next ten years has already been flashed $500 billion, and could face another half trillion in automatic cuts if congr
now and the fiscal cliff negotiation. the back and forth between both sides hasn't been complimentary. quite the opposite, in fact, which means the country needs to prepare for what comes next. that would be automatic spending cups and the expiration of bush era tax breaks. the pentagon has been preparing, and as our john callan reports, so have families who have a whole lot to lose if a deal doesn't get done. >> reporter: jeremy connor, married father of two. >> i've worked...
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. >>> up first, president obama standing his ground over the fight in the fiscal cliff. americans face crushing tax hikes and severe spending cuts in 27 days if democrats and republicans cannot come together on a deal. by the way, congress breaks for the holidays in ten days. slash that number. in an interview with bloomberg news, the president made it crystal clear he's not about to blink on the issue of tax hikes for the wealthiest americans. >> we'll have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> white house correspondent dan lothian joins us live from washington this morning. very nice to see you, dan. >> good to see you. >> here's the deal. we have republicans pitted against democrats. now we understand there are issues amongst republicans as well. >> that's right. they're in a tough spot here. they don't want to be in left in a position of being blamed for the fiscal cliff. you're seeing a division between house members and senate members. the reason for this is mainly over the 800 billion in new tax revenue.
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the effects of the fiscal cliff are already holding back some things. >> of course. what stood out to me from howard schultz, the people that need it the most, the average american will feel this to the core. confidence is the corner stone. >> it makes you make decisions, big decisions, small decisions. i'm not going to buy that or do that, i'm scared to death. here's my question for the two of you. are more big ceos falling in line with the yes, let's raise the taxes on the 2%? >> if i don't know if a majority. would you say a majority? >> i think they want a deal and people have to make -- it's hard to make compromises. >> we've heard it from goldman sac sachs, warren buffett, schultz. >> big names there. >> they want clarity. the interesting thing to me, the stock market and bond market haven't freaked out yet about this. people in the stock market saying they're not stupid enough to let us go there. >> to let this happen. >> i hope they'll get something done. >> gosh, i hope so. >> thank you. >>> 25 minutes past the hour. an awards season shocker at the company t
the effects of the fiscal cliff are already holding back some things. >> of course. what stood out to me from howard schultz, the people that need it the most, the average american will feel this to the core. confidence is the corner stone. >> it makes you make decisions, big decisions, small decisions. i'm not going to buy that or do that, i'm scared to death. here's my question for the two of you. are more big ceos falling in line with the yes, let's raise the taxes on the 2%?...
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. >>> our country will be heading over the fiscal cliff that we ourselves dug and put in our way. it's the set of automatic spending cuts and tax hikes that can only be averted if our nation's leaders are able to display bear bones competence and middle school-level maturity. so is there a deal? >> there's, of course, no deal. >> of course! is there a prospect for a deal? >> there's not a prospect for a deal. >> of course! but the ongoing talks. >> there aren't even very many talks going on. >> you're killing us! give us something. >> but for the first time, there are numbers on pieces of paper from both sides. >> numbers on paper! >>> good morning. it's wednesday, december 5th. welcome to "morning joe." live in the nation's capital. this is exciting. and you know, i said, let's do a show from washington, d.c., because they get so much stuff done there. it's like silicon valley. and going there when steve jobs was really bringing apple to the forefront -- >> a happening place. >> it is. it's where things happen. that's why we're here, steve rattner. >> washington is the place. wit
. >>> our country will be heading over the fiscal cliff that we ourselves dug and put in our way. it's the set of automatic spending cuts and tax hikes that can only be averted if our nation's leaders are able to display bear bones competence and middle school-level maturity. so is there a deal? >> there's, of course, no deal. >> of course! is there a prospect for a deal? >> there's not a prospect for a deal. >> of course! but the ongoing talks. >> there...